User talk:WarioBarker/Archive 1

My archive for messages from 2011-12. This probably won't be edited too often, for obvious reasons. -WarioBarker 22:46, 15 April 2013 (EDT)

2011

Edits

Hey. While we appreciate your efforts in trying to clean up pages, some of your edits leave us scratching our heads here. Why do you feel it necessary to, for starters, make needless changes to the {{bob}} templates, or arbitrarily resize images to random resolutions? Many of the articles you're "cleaning up" are perfectly fine as-is, and things you're removing/changing are the way they are for a reason. Now, while I support the "wiki gnome" work you've been doing, there are other, better ways to go about it. For instance, while his contributions are solid, English isn't Cah4e3's native language, so any pages created or edited by him will probably need proofreading. I'm not trying to discourage you from editing, but if you aren't sure why something is the way it is, either assume it was done that way intentionally, or ask on the talk page before changing it. -YK 00:02, 2 March 2011 (EST)

Seconding this. You've done a good job clarifying some weird grammar and fixing formatting issues, but some of your other edits are kind of questionable. You didn't need to edit the Kid Dracula article just to change the image caption, for example. And why'd you resize a 256px screenshot in the Super Mario World article to 275px? O_o --BMF54123 00:34, 2 March 2011 (EST)

In order...

• "Why do you feel it necessary to ... make needless changes to the {{bob}} templates?" – Mainly for consistency, but also because it removes a lot of odd space after categories. Mind you, I don't obsess over how many characters I use – I prefer clear, concise explanations.
• "Why do you feel it necessary to ... arbitrarily resize images to random resolutions?" / "...why'd you resize a 256px screenshot in the Super Mario World article to 275px?" – The resize was because I had thought it would be clearer at a larger size.
• "You didn't need to edit the Kid Dracula article just to change the image caption" – I did that because the translation was in a nearby table, hence no need for a translation as the image caption. That same edit also bolded the Konami Code to be consistent with other articles I've never even touched.

Again, I apologize if I've broken any rules. -WarioBarker 01:06, 2 March 2011 (EST)

"The resize was because I had thought it would be clearer at a larger size."

The image was already at its native resolution. Resizing it by anything less than a factor of 2 would only serve to make it less clear, thanks to nearest-neighbor scaling artifacts (we added some code to prevent the blurry resampling favored by newer browsers).

You haven't technically broken any rules; a lot of us are just really picky about what we consider to be worthwhile edits. We're working on getting some clear rules put up, but it's been a slow process. --BMF54123 01:30, 2 March 2011 (EST)

On a different note — links are red to encourage people to look into other games =P Alternatively, read the front page - Andlabs 23:49, 13 March 2011 (EDT) (though the proper capitalization is "andlabs" MediaWiki forces the first letter of usernames to be uppercase; I'm not bothered by this)

Enough

All right. We *know* you're just trying to be helpful, but please cease these obsessive, nitpicky little "cleanups". The pages are, by and large, fine just as they were. The wiki will not cease to exist because the {{bob}} templates are slightly "out of order", or a category is listed as "yes" instead of "Yes". Your change of "movie" to "film" also baffles us. In addition, please stop adding {{todo}}s to pages, unless *you* plan to do something about it; if they're not there, the one doing the page has considered the matter closed and what's on the page to be sufficient. This is not your personal playground, and I do not recall anyone hiring you as our personal "wiki janitor". Moreover, you have yet to contribute in any particularly meaningful way. You have not actually *added* anything; you've simply rearranged what's already there, which suggests that you feel we don't know what we're doing here. Finally, decisions such as "Hardware BIOS should come before A on the game list" are not yours to make; such decisions should either be made by the admins, or at the very least, discussed somewhere. I hate to be so harsh on you, since you sincerely seem to *want* to help, but there are other, more productive ways to do so. -YK 04:14, 14 March 2011 (EDT)

I admit I've gotten a little carried away. Or maybe a lot.

• "...please stop adding {{todo}}s to pages, unless *you* plan to do something about it; if they're not there, the one doing the page has considered the matter closed and what's on the page to be sufficient." - I've added those because I know people more skilled than I can do them.
• "Moreover, you have yet to contribute in any particularly meaningful way. You have not actually *added* anything..." - Actually, yes I have. I added the emulation trick to Wheel of Fortune (NES), and fixed the Scooby-Doo Mystery (SNES) article because it claimed something was unused when it wasn't (I put the details on the talk page). I've also expanded intros to be consistent with other articles and be a bit more detailed.
• "...you've simply rearranged what's already there, which suggests that you feel we don't know what we're doing here." - I will never order anybody around or act like I'm better than anybody for the simple reasons that 1) I don't play like that and 2) you guys are the admins. Also, see above - I have done more than simply rearrange. I simply don't have the tools or know-how to dig into games like you guys, so I help however I can (which includes not using "=Title=", since the resulting section header is the same size as the page header).
• "This is not your personal playground, and I do not recall anyone hiring you as our personal "wiki janitor"." - I've never considered it such.
• "Finally, decisions such as "Hardware BIOS should come before A on the game list" are not yours to make; such decisions should either be made by the admins, or at the very least, discussed somewhere." - As you said yourself in an edit summary for SNES Test Program, "Admittedly, these should be treated differently. But don't just go making stuff up." I was using this edit (not by me) to the GameCube article as a basis, although according to what you're saying this isn't protocol. I'd like for the non-game articles to not be mixed in with the game articles (for the simple reason that they're not games), so how do we get the ball rolling on that?

So yes, I sincerely want to help - and I'll hopefully be able to contribute in more worthwhile ways. WarioBarker 05:21, 14 March 2011 (EDT)

Though it may be with good intentions, adding "todo"s for the other people who added the content to do feels like you're just prodding people to get minor work done, whether or not this is actually the case. With this situation and the situation with the hardware BIOS, it would be better to bring it up in the Talk page. That way, you can hear from others instead of simply taking matters into your own hands. --Peardian 19:46, 14 March 2011 (EDT)

I've been irritated by your minor edits as well. Really you should only be making changes to page structure to and the like if you're adding content to the page. Editing just to rearrange things is pointless on a laid-back wiki like this. If this was some place with a stick up it's ass like the Call of Duty Wiki or Halo Wiki that takes page layout really seriously, then sure, go ahead. But here? No.

Also, editing minor stuff in templates so that they're consistent (like the "yes" to "Yes" example) is completely pointless because a good chunk of wiki users do not give one shit about the template coding on a page. It's a waste of time ZERO people care about.

Really, I get the feeling you care more about adding minor details from the game's Wikipedia page (like adding release dates and the like) than actually adding unused content. If so, you're on the wrong site. Teflon 19:58, 14 March 2011 (EDT)

Image alt text

Hey, could you please stop editing the alt text for images unless there's something wrong with it? You're just replacing other people's witticisms with your own, and that's incredibly rude. --BMF54123 04:11, 29 March 2011 (EDT)

Furthermore, please, please, *PLEASE* stop re-wording things for the sake of re-wording them! Your versions are no more or less "superior" than what was there 95% of the time. Changing someone else's wording just because "you like it your way better" is similarly rude. Your intentions may be good, but you're seriously grating on our nerves at this point. -YK 04:31, 29 March 2011 (EDT)

Ok here's an idea

Do you have a Model 1 Genesis with the words HIGH DEFINITION GRAPHICS on it? If so, if you can get your hands on a 3.5mm-3.5mm cable for connecting the headphone jack to your computer's mic in, would you mind re-recording some of the Genesis sound files to sound hardware accurate and high quality? Thanks. - Andlabs 20:50, 31 March 2011 (EDT)

Your final warning.

Since you've so conveniently forgotten everything we've said to you in the past, allow me to reiterate one final time: Cease with these needless rewordings of random articles, particularly ones made by users with established histories here. They have written these articles exactly as they want them to sound, and changing their wording to your wording is extremely rude, and completely unproductive and unhelpful to the wiki in general. You are not some kind of "supreme editor" whose job is to fix any and all "mistakes" you think you've come across. You basically have two choices from this point: Either you can cease these insulting "cleanups" and make meaningful edits (or actually seek out unused content; you don't always need to be a hacker to do this), or you can continue them, which will eventually lead to a ban. We know you're just trying to be helpful, but rewriting other peoples' pages for kicks is not "helpful" at all, and is seriously annoying many people. -YK 17:48, 24 August 2011 (EDT)

2012

Looking into unused content

You might want to look into this section of the website, in case you are interested in finding unused content. If it is incomplete in any way or you feel something needs explanation, write it here and I'll try to expand upon it. --From: divingkataetheweirdo 10:54, 8 May 2012 (EDT)

Once again...

...all right, how many times now does this make it that we've warned you to STOP REWRITING PAGES MADE BY SITE ADMINS? We know full well what we're doing, we word things the way we do because we want to. I'm fed up with your seemingly insatiable urge to reword every single page made by BMF, GoldS, or myself. Stop. Now. -YK 17:17, 9 May 2012 (EDT)

"If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then do not submit it here."

Despite your power over the place, you're still releasing what you've written to the Wiki, which anyone can edit as they please.

If he isn't completely ripping the articles into shreds (which he doesn't seem to be), then what are you complaining about? 犬夜叉^(Inuyasha) 17:22, 9 May 2012 (EDT)

Read this guy's talk page. Read it again. He has been warned about this several times. Moreover, this is just about all WarioBarker has done here is rewrite pages by established users. They're not improvements, they're not helpful, they're just insulting. -YK 17:25, 9 May 2012 (EDT)

Read what I wrote again. Like Xkeeper said, your words are not immutable. You are on a wiki, people will edit things around as they see fit. There's absolutely no reason to complain about what this person is doing. 犬夜叉^(Inuyasha) 17:31, 9 May 2012 (EDT)

Disregard all of this BS and feel free to continue improving TCRF for everyone. -- Xkeeper (talk) 17:43, 9 May 2012 (EDT)

TOC

Hey, I'm fine with intros and all, but I find it kind of pointless adding __TOC__ to the articles. A table of contents appears automagically on articles with three or so headings, and the purpose of the TOC label is to move it, not to force it. A TOC with a single entry doesn't look good, anyway, and just takes up space. Thanks! -- Sanky ~ talk 16:45, 26 June 2012 (EDT)

Some pages have some pretty long sections despite having only 1-3 of them (the TOC is automatically made if four headings are present; I just double-checked), and I would guess that some people want to see what's on the page without having to scroll/Page Down past a bunch of stuff. Further, I've seen many pages where the pictures or whatever directly overlap with the Bob; using a TOC label on those pages "bumps" the pictures and such downward, making it overlap a bit less and in some cases not require a "clear" tag where one would otherwise be placed. (And all that aside, IMO it provides consistency.) That's just my thoughts, though. -WarioBarker 17:25, 26 June 2012 (EDT)

If the sections are really long, and there are three or more of them, adding a TOC is fine. We don't need them on pages with one section, though, like you did with Cyberball. I don't care about consistency in this case, it just looks awkward (and again, we're not Wikipedia, we have our own way of doing these things). --BMF54123 17:29, 26 June 2012 (EDT)

Bad Boys

Just wondering. Why did you remove my mention of cheat disks in the article? I made a point of mentioning them because the specific debug code is not listed on many cheat code websites anymore (hell, Gameshark.com was taken down relatively recently), but I've seen it listed on several cheat disks. Not to mention that whole encrypted code deal in later cheat disk versions. I was just making sure folks would check their cheat device things so they wouldn't have to waste time with converters and whatnot. // Foxhack 12:18, 13 August 2012 (EDT)

I honestly don't know much about GameShark; I thought what you had said could be simplified, but it clearly can't. My apologies; I've re-added it. -WarioBarker 17:02, 13 August 2012 (EDT)

No problem. Thanks for reverting it. Cheat devices are annoying like that. :P // Foxhack 20:56, 13 August 2012 (EDT)

Thanks for your work cleaning up articles, but some notes:

Thanks for you work cleaning up Imagine Party Babyz. I did revert a few of your changes and wanted to explain why.

You removed a {{clear}} for no apparent reason where it was being used to avoid a large gap in the article's formatting, between header and content. It was there on purpose, and removing it added an unsightly gap.

You removed a minor joke for no reason whatsoever, in contradiction of guidelines and while adding a joke of your own later in the article. This comes across as rude.

The unused audio sample's position was rearranged to take up more space without any clear goal and without any sort of guideline backing. There's no reason for it to be above the text rather than next to it.

Otherwise, thanks for the assistance. Vague Rant 10:56, 10 October 2012 (EDT)

• Regarding the audio file, why is it at the far right in the first place? It just looks bad sitting all the way over there; pretty much every other page has the audio file above or below the text associated with it (such as EarthBound), namely because it looks better. I edited it again to move the positioning. -WarioBarker 20:40, 10 October 2012 (EDT)

I'm going to gently request that you not make dick edit summaries like "Considerably less sucky.", especially where your replacement prose is a dubious improvement which mostly serves to reword things to your awkward style and introduce falsehoods like that Gex 3 was the first 3D game in the series. At the least, be correct if you need to be a dick. - Vague Rant 00:52, 25 November 2012 (EST)

• For the record, I was genuinely trying to improve the page and not be a dick about it. I'm not sure if my "style" is awkward, though... Nonetheless, I screwed up, and I own up to it. -WarioBarker 08:33, 26 November 2012 (EST)

Controller Buttons

Please stop removing bold tags from controller buttons. If you see an article where some are bolded and some are not, then make them all bold. I'd appreciate it if you went back and undid the ones you already changed. --BMF54123 17:17, 26 November 2012 (EST)

Final Fight: Streetwise (Xbox)

The whole point of the WIP tag is to let people know a single editor is working on the article. It still needs a lot of rewriting and optimizing since I can't just copy the text from the PS2 article, so please leave it alone until I remove that tag. And why are you adding unneeded stuff to the bob, like AKA and Screenwidth? There's no AKA or screen (yet) so there's no point to them. And why remove the spaces in the file names? And the hex attribute from file names and locations? I'm adding those because it's easier to read the file names when they're in a monospaced font and bold, rather than a normal font and bolded. (I did miss the linebreak on the devs and the nocat on the European date, though, sorry.) // Foxhack 12:26, 8 December 2012 (EST)

• In order...
  • The whole point of the WIP tag is to let people know a single editor is working on the article. It still needs a lot of rewriting and optimizing since I can't just copy the text from the PS2 article, so please leave it alone until I remove that tag. – I was editing a page. This is a wiki. Pages can be edited. Besides that, I was mostly cleaning up the page.
  • And why are you adding unneeded stuff to the bob, like AKA and Screenwidth? There's no AKA or screen (yet) so there's no point to them. – uh, wut? I removed them because they weren't necessary.
  • And why remove the spaces in the file names? – because they, as well as page links to other parts of this wiki, look cleaner without the underlines. Keeping the underlines suggests that some editor just copy-pasted from the address bar (and some editors have just copy-pasted the address bar in full).
  • And the hex attribute from file names and locations? I'm adding those because it's easier to read the file names when they're in a monospaced font and bold, rather than a normal font and bolded. – because I'm reasonably certain the hex template isn't meant to be used for folder directories and file names.
  • (I did miss the linebreak on the devs and the nocat on the European date, though, sorry.) – ...so you reverted my edit and failed to fix the problems I had originally fixed? -WarioBarker 13:14, 8 December 2012 (EST)

This isn't about anyone being able to edit the wiki. This is like me trying to build a house only to have someone try to install a TV before the walls are even up. I'm still writing notes, converting files, and waiting on some comments from the admins about certain items which I'm not sure about adding to (instead of only mentioning in) the wiki due to their copyrighted music content. And yes, I reverted your changes, because it was easier than just going back and undoing all you did manually. Because, hey, I'M STILL WORKING ON THIS, PLAYING THE GAME, DOING ACTUAL RESEARCH. I copy the file names as they are in the URL because I've had 404 problems a few times because I didn't use the underlined file names (when using non-standard characters). And yes I know I messed up in the bob thing, it was pretty early and I needed coffee. Blargh. TL;DR - Leave the article alone until it's reached a state where it CAN be cleaned up and improved. Please.// Foxhack 14:54, 8 December 2012 (EST)

Um, WarioBarker, I know you have the best of intents to improve this wiki, but the very purpose of the {{WIP}} is to let people know they shouldn't edit that page yet until the original editor is done with his edits. He will (and must) by then remove that tag and then allow anyone else to edit/clean-up/add at will. Until then, it is basically considered as one of his user pages. You can see that nobody adds content to the Xenoblade Chronicles, or any page of Category:Works In Progress out of respect to the original editor, instead using the Talk page. Can't you wait until he is done to do your clean-up? This being a wiki doesn't make it less rude to transgress this rule (there are pages with stub, elaborate and suck tags aplenty, why do you insist on those?): Montas1992 15:26, 8 December 2012 (EST)

> Until then, it is basically considered as one of his user pages.

I have a wonderful idea then: Why not just keep the article on your userspace until you're done with it? 犬夜叉^(Inuyasha) 15:36, 8 December 2012 (EST)

I for one think anyone (beside admins) editing at will pages with {{WIP}} tags kinda defeats the purpose of the Works In Progress category existence. It's there for a reason, you know. Each wiki has rules we must all abide to. Montas1992 15:45, 8 December 2012 (EST)

{{WIP}} is there exclusively to let people know that a page is still under completion (as opposed to {{stub}} which is "I'm pretty much done but this page is still kind of small". It's not a "This space the exclusive property of YOUR_NAME_HERE (notice how it doesn't have space for a username?). This bullshit needs to end. If you don't want people to work on pages you're working on, either put them in your userspace with a note until you're ready to make them public, or make your own website. This is wiki. Wikis run off of contributions from everyone. Jesus fucking Christ how are we having this argument for the 15th fucking time -- Xkeeper (talk) 15:48, 8 December 2012 (EST)

"...or make your own website." ... you know what? That's not a bad idea. It's going to suck not having a way to host all these OGG files, but I think I'll manage. I wish you guys luck in your future endeavors. // Foxhack 21:19, 9 December 2012 (EST) NEVER MIND, CONTINUE AS YOU WERE // Foxhack 14:15, 10 December 2012 (EST)

Edit Summaries

Hi there, do you think you could be a little more polite in your edit summaries? It's awesome you're improving something that you feel needs to be fixed, but sometimes people forget to do/add/change something or haven't read the latest update to the guidelines, and I don't want them to feel embarrassed about contributing just because they made a mistake. --GlitterBerri 14:31, 18 December 2012 (EST)