Talk:The Cutting Room Floor

I'm not sure how many of you keep up with Jul (and you really should), but I recently made "officially public" the stats for TCRF. Fun things to do: Set the date group to weekly and see the growth. -- Xkeeper (talk) 15:03, 1 August 2010 (EDT)

Featured articles?

Has anybody put any thought into the Featured Articles idea? Having some "near finished" (or rather "full of content") pages as Featured would probably be a good idea, and also serve as a guideline for future pages. -- Xkeeper (talk) 06:18, 31 July 2010 (EDT)

That'd be a good idea, yeah. What articles were you thinking about featuring? --GoldS 06:22, 31 July 2010 (EDT)

For one, I think you and YK both deserve a trophy for that Link's Awakening page. From shit to hit in, what, a week?

That was one of them. Super Mario World is another one. Pokemon Gold and Silver and The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time are also high-quality pages. -- Xkeeper (talk) 06:28, 31 July 2010 (EDT)

Really, I like the idea of "Featured" articles. It'd allow us to showcase the best pages on the wiki, while also helping to cement a standard for future articles; "This is how you do a page". As for some of my picks... King Arthur & the Knights of Justice, Lufia 2, Donkey Kong Country, and Super Mario RPG all seem to be well-written and organized pages with enough content to be worthy of "Featured" status. -YK 14:22, 31 July 2010 (EDT)

Featured Articles sounds like a great idea. I'd also recommend a style guide, to establish some of the "invisible" rules- for example, the use of full titles; Metroid Prime 2: Echoes as opposed to Metroid Prime 2.--Afti 13:20, 1 August 2010 (EDT)

I agree with that standard. The shorter/alternate names can be -- and *are* -- used as redirects, after all. -YK 15:25, 1 August 2010 (EDT)

Editing together

On a related note, it might also be a good idea to start "coordinated updating". I really like how the work on Link's Awakening went and think it could be put to use for some other pages that are... lacking.

In fact, it might be best to get these "skeletons" of pages at least to the point where methods of accessing whatever it is are known, so that we can come back to it later and not forget. There's a lot of "There are hidden graphics/levels/music" with no information on where these actually are, so doing any research on them is... hard. -- Xkeeper (talk) 06:28, 31 July 2010 (EDT)

OggHandler audio player issues

Remember when it didn't show up? That was OggHandler's fault. I've such added a Dirty Hack that replaces the video tag with the proper audio tag if the height is zero (which it is for audio). I just tested and player tools show up now, so it should be working for everyone using a modern browser. -- Xkeeper (talk) 20:54, 4 August 2010 (EDT)

ROM policy

What would be a good policy for ROMs? Normally I'd go down the "no ROMs period" route, but I'm thinking of going for "no commercially released ROMs"; so stuff like prototypes or unreleased games would be fair game.

Thoughts? -- Xkeeper (talk) 18:07, 13 August 2010 (EDT)

I'm pretty sure we could host unreleased games, but prototypes ? Some prototypes are *very* close their final version (various Sonic ones, for example). I'm not sure if we can have that. Then again, I know nothing about this legal stuff, so. -- Sanky ~ talk 06:01, 14 August 2010 (EDT)

All ROMs would be the same, from a legal standpoint, ^{<pirateparty>(which should be "freely redistributable")</pirateparty>} but we're approaching this from a "not getting sued and shut down" standpoint. I'd say prototypes should be decided case-by-case; Sega doesn't much care about them, so we could host those, but notoriously sue-happy companies we'd have to avoid.--Afti 13:59, 27 September 2010 (EDT)

I haven't seen any protos getting taken down; to my knowledge neither drx of Hidden Palace fame, nor Evan of SNES Central has ever gotten one and they host a whole bunch of them. -- Xkeeper (talk) 14:00, 27 September 2010 (EDT)

I'm talking about things like the leaked HL2 proto, which AFAIK Valve still gets pissy about.--Afti 14:05, 27 September 2010 (EDT)

Something big like that is definitely better-left to other sites, but that's not to say we can't helpfully guide users to it with good ol' external links. -- Xkeeper (talk) 14:08, 27 September 2010 (EDT)

...Somehow I think that external links wouldn't be much better if we linked to something that was pissing the rights holder off. Again- case-by-case basis, "it's probably fine but ask an admin first" type policy.--Afti 14:10, 27 September 2010 (EDT)

random thing

Whoever made that needs to left-align the images. As it is they're kind of broken -- Xkeeper (talk) 05:20, 8 September 2010 (EDT)

400 articles

Just one more 100 to go... -- Xkeeper (talk) 23:24, 12 September 2010 (EDT)

Broken links on the main page.

Heh... Am I the only one who finds a bit of humorous irony in the fact that there are a whole mess of red links on the main page, right above a quip about "making all the red blue"? Especially considering we have categories for basically all the stuff listed there... someone should fix that, I'd think... -YK 02:48, 16 September 2010 (EDT)

Nobody ever did. Not big surprise. :( -- Xkeeper (talk) 14:23, 27 September 2010 (EDT)

I'd have done something if I could. Sandbox version of the front page for modification?--Afti 14:38, 27 September 2010 (EDT)

I took care of those broken links a few days ago, anyhow, so no big deal anymore. -YK 14:39, 27 September 2010 (EDT)

redesign, again

SO while the current setup is pretty great and all I was having thoughts. Featured article on the left, then "Recent discoveries"/additions on the right. Quick way to jump to what's new, easily. Really, the whole right side of the page needs help badly. -- Xkeeper (talk) 00:27, 13 October 2010 (EDT)

(Also, whatever happened to that style guide?)

As I said, I could write up a style guide. You never responded. "Recent Discoveries" sounds good; perhaps a spotlight for pages with lots of content that need presentation work, too?--Afti 01:01, 13 October 2010 (EDT)

Project Wonderful ads

These Project Wonderful ads are getting more and more inappropriate. An example would be the Wayward Sons ads. Wayward Sons is an adult entertainment comic that is not for kids and teenagers like some of us are (I know about this so-called Wayward Sons becuase I Googled it). If we want this to be a nice wiki, then we need to get rid of inapropriate ads. Thank you for your time.--Holyromanemperortatan 07:21, 4 November 2010 (EDT)

I thought I cancelled those. My err. -- Xkeeper (talk) 07:25, 4 November 2010 (EDT)

Okay, I guess I forgot to ban it. Taken care of, it should not show up here again. Their fault for marking it as SFW, but that's what happens sometimes. -- Xkeeper (talk) 07:28, 4 November 2010 (EDT)

Yeah, they're gone now. Thanks for that!--Holyromanemperortatan 07:35, 4 November 2010 (EDT)

What's so bad about sci-fi? It's nothing you cannot see on prime TV nowadays... I thought you meant "adult entertainment" in the big-booty curved-chested kinda way... --Tauwasser 10:38, 4 November 2010 (EDT)

Well, I Googled it, and this is an example of what you can find the comic website: http://waywardsons.keenspot.com/d/20101002.html Go to "Personality Profile" and you can see how it is a mature comic. --Holyromanemperortatan 15:40, 4 November 2010 (EDT)

I re-evaluated it and the site behind it and, while the ad itself was a bit risque, the comic itself really isn't. So... I reverted the prohibition and you can decide to block that specific image if you want. Sorry. -- Xkeeper (talk) 02:44, 5 November 2010 (EDT)

I read through the whole comic after my last comment. It's really nothing explicit. at all and I'm glad it got re-evaluated. --Tauwasser 06:57, 8 November 2010 (EST)

Illegal to add here

Apparently you don't want people to add content? so it doesn't matter if the game has lots of stuff in it, if someone here doesn't like that game much you can't have any articles? And then you block the page so I can't undo your vandalism, maybe you should just set it to select people editing the games they want in their own section so some of us newcomers can actually contribute Lair of Rockwhales 10:57, 22 June 2011 (EDT)

You added a placeholder page and discussion on an article page. You can contribute, but contribute. --Afti 12:27, 22 June 2011 (EDT)

To elaborate, we don't want an empty page with nothing on it. It clutters the system and causes problems. If you want to add something, by all means, do so, but add it once you have something to put on the page.

If you need a place to assemble it first, or play around, preview or use the Sandbox. An infodump is OK too if you have a lot of notes (though those usually go on Notes:... pages). Just not a blank "Nothing here yet" page. -- Xkeeper (talk) 12:32, 22 June 2011 (EDT)

...oh. Whoops. sorry. I can add the page with data, right?
Also, what's the deal with uploading images for the article of the beta stuff, what are rules on that? --Lair of Rockwhales 12:52, 22 June 2011 (EDT)

Yes, it's fine to recreate the article if you have content for it. As for images, Help:Image guidelines. Feel free to ask if you have questions. -- Xkeeper (talk) 12:55, 22 June 2011 (EDT)

Peripherals

Wondering what the policy on peripherals is. Does it need to be software content or hardware? There's a mounting device within the Classic Controller Pro suggesting analog L/R buttons were planned; was wondering if that'd fall under our bailiwick. --Afti 00:00, 23 June 2011 (EDT)

Eh, I would personally say "no" right now. Opening the door to things other than video game software seems like kind of a slippery slope... --BMF54123 00:04, 23 June 2011 (EDT)

Legend of Mana

http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps/256525-legend-of-mana/faqs/8196 Has an extensive Debug room. Don't have the ability at this time to rip it. Wasn't sure if I should create a topic without any photos, so I'll leave it here in discussion. Children of Mana has debug items: http://mycheats.1up.com/list/cheat/3144167/children_of_mana/nintendo_ds

Other wikis?

Shouldn't there be a template for games with their own, more informational wikis? --Nerfman100 17:42, 22 August 2011 (EDT)

Early instead of Beta

Can we please have a discussion why this disgrace is needed? The Pokemon Gold and Silver page I in part wrote looks like a mad house now. It's early all over the place... WTF!? Earlier than what? Release? Development? Christmas?

It just basically pisses me off that somebody goes through all the articles equipped with Ctrl+H to change every occurrence of "beta" to "early" no matter how unfitting. Maybe we should have actual definitions of terms used on here?

For instance, take the "Early Tileset" (which sounds like ass... now). It's a fucking early tileset with fucking early block data and so on. That just sounds so stupid and unprofessional. Personally, I think of some retard bozo saying "early :$" in a retarded voice every time I read the article now.

However, the content's not just unused. The content does not fit in with the rest of the production build as was released anymore. So this means it is unused, but not only unused, but also not functional. However, there are clear indicators that it was functional at one point. And that point was likely between the public beta testing at Spaceworld '97 and the production build. How does it get any more, or less for that matter, beta than that?

Describing everything as a "prototype" and "early" just rubs me seriously the wrong way. Every little shit here is a "prototype". There's prototype graphics, prototype text... you name it, we probably have it. However, the choice of prototype is actually a very bad choice. In software development, a prototype is usually something that would have a tangible function, i.e. not a smiley face in a tileset, not an unused door handle. So can we please have some clarity here? And maybe not have Gestapo rummaging through our articles Ctrl+H'ing away?

Also of concern is the ability to find the content. How often have you googled "<game name> early [tileset|door handle|smiley face]" versus actually googling "<game name> beta content"? Just a thought. Because I bet right now, while the pages we create over here have lots of content, the first hits for a typical user search for "<game name> beta lololo NAO" land them on bulbapedia, pokewiki and youtube. Right now And with the Pokémon page, that's true. We don't even score top twenty. Heck, the Pokémon Alpha Graphics restoration path that uses content from our article actually scores in the top twenty right now! And there is content from 2007 in the top ten right now! I think we can do better than that. --Tauwasser 22:08, 2 September 2011 (EDT)