Talk:The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess

So, uh... A few things...

1) What's the best way to go about tagging this game as it's both a Wii and GC release? I put it as Wii for now, but is there any way to tag it for both? The only major difference is that the GC version has the left handed mode locked as default and no of motion controls. That, and it was released and marketed as the same the game anyway. It's a really murky thing I guess. Personally, I think, if it's too complicated, we can leave it as a Wii release.

2) There was a second revision of the game for the US and, I think, Japan. I believe it was as a reaction to the Twilight Hack. If that's the case then I think that would be something worth mentioning. I also distinctly remember a game breaking bug in TP in which people were flooding the internet over. Could the revision have been to fix that? Anyone have a better memory than mine? It may be worth mentioning the revision if that's the case too... I dunno' though. I'll leave it up to you guys.

~Tanks 5/12/11 11:56 PM EST

I recall reading that there were a few other minor differences between the GC and Wii versions, such as a few bugs fixed in the GC version... and apparently, in the Wii version, it's possible to let blue and yellow chuchus merge into a green one, which you can then bottle up and use... for no effect. (Magic potion?) Dunno how true it is, though. -YK 23:59, 12 May 2011 (EDT)

Game breaking bug? There was the cannon save glitch and the Eldin Bridge save glitch... maybe one of these? -- Prince Kassad 00:05, 13 May 2011 (EDT)

Ahh yeah I remember the cannon bug. Don't know about the Eldin save bug though. As for GC, I have no idea about bug fixes in that... Anyway, unless we can dig up some info on these fixes being major, I don't know if it's worth commenting on. Tanks

The Eldin Bridge glitch is basically... when you cross the Eldin Bridge for the first time, a chunk of it gets warped away (you later find it in the Gerudo Desert), and you're supposed to continue onwards to the Twilight area beyond it. If you save and quit after the bridge segment is warped away, but before you actually enter the Twilight, when you reload the game, you'll be at the bridge entrance... with the chunk of the bridge still missing, leaving you with no way to cross and no way to continue with the game. I don't think it was fixed in the GC release, either. You'd actually have to go out of your way to do this, because the window is so small, but it exists. -YK 02:13, 13 May 2011 (EDT)

Hm. I recall the Eldin glitch being debunked a while ago, unless it only exists in the initial Wii shipment (which would mean they patched it before the 'cannon' glitch). Some of the videos which claimed to be proof of its existence are thought to be hacked. Not even Zelda Chaos lists it, and they're pretty reliable when it comes to verifying glitches. I believe this is a case of an Urban Legend of Zelda. On another note when it comes to Wii/GCN differences, I added the note about Green Chu and Green Chu Jelly, which is barely used in the Wii version. Supposedly, there's also a completely unused Black Chu Jelly that actually has a description and takes away one heart, though I'm unsure if the enemy itself is in the game data. Does anyone want to find out for sure if that exists?

I'd never expect an "unwinnable game" glitch to be just a busted myth. Well, anyway, there is no such thing as a Black Chu. I'm very sure of that. Unless my memory is really, really hazy. I don't think there even was one in the Wind Waker, which has more Chus. So, if there is Black Chu Jelly, it's gotta be unused. Someone should perform a simple test: get the address that stores what item you have on your bottle, and keep changing values until one comes up with Black Chu Jelly, if it exists. Should be fairly straight forward. {Espyo^T} 17:49, 7 February 2012 (EST)

Black Chu Jelly here: http://www.unseen64.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/backchujelly.jpg

I've seen a better pic of this, but that's all I can find for the moment.

As for the game-breaking glitch, surely it's easy to find a launch-version TP ROM online? I have a North American launch-version TP cart myself, but my Wii is broken, alas.

GlitterBerri 05:27, 6 March 2012 (EST)

If you can't find a launch copy, drop me a note and I'll get you mine. --Afti 12:06, 3 April 2012 (EDT)

Developer notes

In Sample.arc in the objects folder, there is a few text files as well as a file called "a" that is in the same format as the R_00 "BMD" file in TWW.

The first two text files just contain their names, but the third seems to contain lots of notes from the developers.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16672629/file2.7z It's in Japanese so it will have to be translated.

--Kargaroc 06:27, 6 March 2012 (EST)

Really amazing! It helps to know a little more about how how they did the 3D models prior to conversion. A_R00 is no longer the only, although it is not in the same Zelda.

--Dark Linkaël 06:13, 6 March 2012 (EST)

Unused Icons in Twilight Princess

For use on TCRF, but I do not know what I could say about these pictures. I leave here and someone cares.

--Dark Linkaël 07:39, 6 March 2012 (EST)

Some interesting pictures you have there. I think something could be mentioned about the 3rd, 5th and last(starting from the left). The third looks like tetra, obviously. The fourth looks like the mirror shield from OOT to be honest. The last is the icon for the soup from WW. This site mentions the last two icons I talked about. Seeing the soup icon in this group makes me think that perhaps some of these icons could have been used for which button an item was equipped to(ie soup equipped to button X) but I am only speculating. Perhaps others can give better input.

--Cuber456 08:58, 6 March 2012 (EST)

As Dark Linkaël and I were discussing, because demon Tetra's file name is "midona" it's likely that she was used as a placeholder icon for Midna until she received a design of her own. I was confused about the file name "map" for the net-looking-thing, but according to Dark Linkaël, it's the cage you occasionally see around the top part of some globes. "makimono" means "scroll", and "honny" is a misromanization of "honey", I reckon.

--GlitterBerri 14:38, 6 March 2012 (EST)

As show in the site, there is also a hookshot icon on the game files. I don't remember exactly where was it, but here goes the image:

--gabrielwoj

Yes, I saw this icon and I kept it somewhere. Since I do not know much Twilight Princess, especially as there NGC and Wii version, I had a doubt and I was not sure of the origin of the icon.

--Dark Linkaël 04:35, 7 March 2012 (EST)

Most of these seem like placeholders, but that Mirror Shield one is interesting. If I'm not mistaken, it's actually a brand new icon and not just directly taken from Ocarina of Time. That means they considered having another ultimate shield. It's also weird how the old Gerudo Symbol is chosen over the new one. I guess they figured, "It's supposed to be a more realistic Zelda anyway, so the fans can take having the pre-censored version?" LinkTheLefty 10:25, 7 March 2012 (EST)

Discoveries and other in Twilight Princess...

I discovered there are a lot of time in the first part of Hyrule Field is something impossible to see in the game should be that this part of the field or in the twilight, then use the moon jump at a time when the twilight has completely invaded Hyrule.

At the location where you meet the postman for the first time, there is a character only seen with Wolf Link. However, I have not been with Wolf Link and I do not know what there is. I'd like someone to go and see in detail.

--Dark Linkaël 13:18, 6 March 2012 (EST)

I'm not sure I understand your instructions, Dark Linkaël. Can you try explaining one more time? Also, if someone does this, can they take pictures or a video? I'm curious to see the what this is.

--GlitterBerri 22:27, 6 March 2012 (EST)

I think his translator isn't getting French phrases over correctly... it sounds like he's trying to say

"I discovered [long] ago in [that?] in the first part of Hyrule Field [there] is something impossible to see. "

I was going to do more but it would be easier if he posted the French alongside the google translated English. Mon francais n'est pas tres bien, mais nous pouvons essayer a le comprendre, oui?--Celice 03:35, 7 March 2012 (EST)

Oui, s'il te plaît, Dark Linkaël! :)

--GlitterBerri 04:17, 7 March 2012 (EST)

Bon d'accord, je vais essayer en français !

Dans la Plaine d'Hyrule (version crépuscule qui nécessite l'utilisation du code Moon Jump) à l'emplacement où vous trouvez le postier pour la première fois, il y a une personne qui est visible seulement avec Link Loup. Seulement, je n'étais pas en Link Loup à ce moment-là et je n'ai pas pu voir qui c'était. Donc, je demande à quelqu'un de voir précisément qui est cette personne.

Voilà, j'espère que vous avez mieux compris mon message.

--Dark Linkaël 04:27, 7 March 2012 (EST)

English:

Alright, then, I'll try French!

In Hyrule Field (the Twilight version, which requires you to use the Moon Jump code), at the place where you find the Postman for the first time, there's a person who is visible only with Wolf Link. The only thing is that I wasn't Wolf Link at the time and I couldn't see who was there. So, I ask that someone take a look and see who this person is.

There you go, I hope you understood my message better.

--GlitterBerri 16:20, 7 March 2012 (EST)

I actually encountered this a few months ago when I was messing around with TP using cheats. I got Wolf Link and went to that spirit, but there's nothing there when you use Sense. -Gamma 20:09, 15 July 2012 (EDT)

I tested on the Wii version at first, but then I just tested on the GC version and there is nothing... No presence of the strange spirit!

--Dark Linkaël 06:26, 16 July 2012 (EDT)

Files JP/US/EU to "frameworkF.map"

I shall make the file "frameworkF.map" each version of Twilight Princess. I recall that it is through this file that I could discover the Debug Menu in The Wind Waker. It is possible that there are other interesting stuff to discover it.

E3 2006 Demo Version

JP Version - US Version - EU Version

Note : E3 2006 Demo (2.25 MB) and normal version (1.88 MB)

--Dark Linkaël 08:56, 13 March 2012 (EDT)

Just at a quick glance, one interesting thing I notice is that there are two items called S_MAGIC and L_MAGIC in what appears to be an items section. It appears in both the US and E3 versions at least. I'm just guessing but perhaps these items are the magic jars that enemies would drop to replenish magic. Also interesting is the fact that there is something called drawMagic which appears close to something called drawOxygen. I assume that drawOxygen would be the action of displaying the oxygen meter when Link is underwater. In that case, perhaps drawMagic would display the unused magic meter in the game. I'm just guessing here but maybe someone can check out what I just mentioned.

--Cuber456 14:05, 13 March 2012 (EDT)

As we know, the magic was removed very late in the developement of the game. It is possible that two models BMD jars of magic are in the demo "E3 2006". I will watch to see! However, I can not play this version of the game, it does not work for some strange reason...

--Dark Linkaël 14:29, 13 March 2012 (EDT)

I'm just wondering though, are we sure that it was 100% removed from the game? Do we really have evidence to support this claim? Perhaps it is just disabled or maybe drawMagic is never executed so that the magic meter never appears. I think it would be worth while to see what happens when Link drinks a green chu in debug mode. Perhaps the game tries to update a counter for the magic meter we aren't aware of. I'm just throwing ideas out there.

--Cuber456 16:02, 13 March 2012 (EDT)

There are 340 results for "alpha" in the demo, and 302 in the JP version. This suggests that some of these unused entries were deleted from the final game. An example of interest is "00214a94 000414 8021a154 4 setButtonIconMidonaAlpha__13dMeter2Draw_cFUl d_meter2_draw.o", which may correspond to the shadow Tetra icon. I think the alpha entries are worth exploring for unused content.

Searching "item_func" and "item_getcheck" yields interesting results. I don't remember TP very well, so I suggest people check for themselves.

 0008e2b8 000044 80094bd8  4 item_getcheck_func_HOOKSHOT(void) 	d_item.o 

 0008ef00 000034 80095820  4 item_getcheck_func_CHUCHU_BLACK(void) 	d_item.o 

 0008ec08 000034 80095528  4 item_getcheck_func_CHUCHU_GREEN(void) 	d_item.o 

 0008f3ac 000008 80095ccc  4 item_getcheck_func_SURFBOARD(void) 	d_item.o 

 0008f370 000014 80095c90  4 item_getcheck_func_TOMATO_PUREE(void) 	d_item.o 

 0008f2f4 000044 80095c14  4 item_getcheck_func_LV7_DUNGEON_EXIT(void) 	d_item.o 

The Wind Waker (Kaze no Takt) leftovers?

 0028cdd8 000014 802936f8  4 Z2SeqMgr::taktModeMute(void) 	Z2AudioLib.a Z2SeqMgr.o

 0028cdec 000014 8029370c  4 Z2SeqMgr::taktModeMuteOff(void) 	Z2AudioLib.a Z2SeqMgr.o

Navi?

 00286928 000010 8028d248  4 Z2SeMgr::playNaviFlySound(float, float) 	Z2AudioLib.a Z2SeMgr.o

Save the ending?

 001cd36c 0000a8 801d3c8c  4 dMenu_save_c::saveEnd(void) 	d_menu_save.o 

 001cd414 000080 801d3d34  4 dMenu_save_c::endingNoSave(void) 	d_menu_save.o 

 001cd494 000030 801d3db4  4 dMenu_save_c::endingNoSave2(void) 	d_menu_save.o 

Debug camera?

 0017177c 000008 80176e3c  4 test1Camera__9dCamera_cFl 	d_camera.o 

 00171784 000008 80176e44  4 test2Camera__9dCamera_cFl 	d_camera.o

 0017382c 0001e4 8017a14c  4 ShopCam_action_c::_debugSetCamera(void) 	d_shop_camera.o 

Other suggested search terms: TRK_Hollywood_Revolution, midona, arcname, LINK_VOICE, 8Z2MdnPrm, debug, gamecube

--GlitterBerri 19:15, 13 March 2012 (EDT)

This is not Zelda I played most, but the items in this list does not seem really tell me anything.

0017382c 0001e4 8017a14c  4 ShopCam_action_c::_debugSetCamera(void)

I do not know if this is the Debug Camera, but it's interesting...

However, I wish I could run this demo! It does not work either my emulator or on my Wii with NeoGamma. It is really weird this game...

One thing is sure, execute the Map Select that's impossible! Death!

As for the Debug Mode... Hmmm... There may have something to do. But I need to know how to play this demo of Twilight Princess.

--Dark Linkaël 07:10, 14 March 2012 (EDT)

Moo.

 000dce4c 000080 800e376c  4 daAlink_c::checkCowGame(void) 	d_a_alink.o 

--GlitterBerri 08:20, 14 March 2012 (EDT)

I just watched files .Arc models and there is nothing at all. Just over a file in the demo version. However, it is only Navi models and two arrows during a battle with an enemy. In short, nothing! Otherwise, the rest is the same size of all files is such that the final version.

--Dark Linkaël 08:36, 14 March 2012 (EDT)

Some interesting unused text(?)

I found this video on youtube so who knows what the credibility of it is but it lists interesting unused text if this video is credible. What I find the most interesting is the text at 0:10, 0:20 and 1:11.

--Cuber456 01:15, 14 March 2012 (EDT)

I do not know, but I advise you to see this page from the site "Zelda Legends". You'll see if these texts are there.

--Dark Linkaël 07:14, 14 March 2012 (EDT)

They are, yes.

 Please select a stage.
 PAUSE
 SELECT STAGE
 Select
 Back
 OK
 Start
 Thank You for Playing the Demo
 START
 Epona Rodeo strategy (Rescue Epona)
 Flag 56 has been turned ON.
 Saw the demo where Colin is abducted.
 Flag 53 has been turned ON.
 Saw the demo where Colin is saved.
 Flag 85 has been turned ON.
 Saw the demo of Prince Zora being saved.
 (Convory sucessful)
 Flag 68 has been turned ON.
 North south bridge mirror space big small mysterious shield
 test 20060713 22:11pm
 The darkness has been in Kakariko
 Village has been lifted.
 Flag 61 has been turned ON.
 Carriage convoy game start
 Flag 66 has been turned ON.
 Lava fusion event temporary demo 
 Please end the dark cargo (big) event
 (Event flag 84 = please turn it ON)
 After seeing the lava fusion on Death Mountain
 Flag 65 has been turned ON.
 (Condition: Even flag 84 has been turned ON)
 Surf Leaf
 There is a save file for this game on
 the Memory Card in Slot A. Would you
 like to transfer this data to the Wii?
 Unable to find Memory Card in Slot A.
 In order to copy save data from a
 Memory Card, please start over.
 Magic Potion
 You don't have any magic power...
 You know you can't turn into a
 beast without it!

Surf Leaf must be the item used by Link to snowboard down the mountain, also called Ice Leaf in the framework file. However, in the Japanese game, the Surf Leaf's item name is Shield Surfing, meaning Link was likely originally going to snowboard using his shield.

--GlitterBerri 07:54, 14 March 2012 (EDT)

I wonder if that had something to do with the unused (placeholder?) Mirror Shield. On the topic of unused text, I'd like to bring attention to some unused ending dialog after the battle with Ganondorf that possibly alluded to A Link to the Past and was revised for defeating the final boss of Skyward Sword; in the finished game, Ganondorf only says a piece of the full dialog (either because they forgot to program it in, they thought it was too wordy, or maybe due to behind-the-scenes timeline stuff/"upending the tea table"). I think there's also unused dialog for the citizens around the Palace of Twilight. This is present in both Japanese and American versions, and people of the Legends Alliance Forums have translated and compared the two (http://forums.legendsalliance.com/topic/17108-list-of-japanese-translations/). They also uncovered remnants of an earlier storyline of Four Swords Adventures which would have had Sages and the Master Sword and would have likely been a retelling of the Imprisoning War before Miyamoto had the storyline changed (and thus we currently have a third timeline). All of these things are listed as "Removed" in that page I linked to. Think we ought to add them? LinkTheLefty 14:51, 14 March 2012 (EDT)

About the E3 2006 demo of Twilight Princess

I just watched most of the files in the E3 2006 demo of Twilight Princess and its final version. What I can conclude is that these two versions are finally likeness. The differences are not very many, except for files (frameworkF.map) or the presence of two files in the Map Select. Otherwise, a lot like the final version!

As this version is not as interesting as planned, I'd rather not use my free time searching for this game. Sorry to all those who thought that this demo could hold a lot of are older versions of Twilight Princess. If it was a demo from E3 2005, it probably contains some very interesting things.

About this demo from E3 2005, I remember seeing someone do a video on YouTube with a copy of this demo. However, I can not find anymore and I do not know if it was a fake.

--Dark Linkaël 09:09, 14 March 2012 (EDT)

This person apparently owns it.

--GlitterBerri 09:57, 14 March 2012 (EDT)

He said something in particular? I can not quite understand what he says.

--Dark Linkaël 10:11, 14 March 2012 (EDT)

User derekb says he has a demo of Twilight Princess from "the Fusion tour". He think it is the same as the E3 2005 demo. He has thought about accepting people's bids to buy it from him, but says he isn't really interested in selling it. User sondow says he is interested in derekb's demo, but he maybe found another copy somewhere else.

--GlitterBerri 10:13, 14 March 2012 (EDT)

I see... I hope we can see her one day!

However, I think the files are not really the same as the demo is from 2005 and at that time, the game was still in development.

--Dark Linkaël 10:20, 14 March 2012 (EDT)

Progression of the translation of "file2.txt"

Add here the rest of the English translation of the file file2.txt translation.

--Dark Linkaël 12:12, 16 March 2012 (EDT)

Data for E3 Twilight Princess?

[English (GlitterBerri)] There was what appears to be data for Twilight Princess E3. The file path is [Disc\Game partition\res\Layout\clctresE3.arc]. (Japanese Wii Version) It contains a blo file and bti image file. In the same folder, there's something similar called "clctres.arc", which is included in the unused stuff.

[Japanese] トワイライトプリンセスのE3用データと思われるものがありました。 ファイルパスは、[ディスク\ゲーム用パーティション\res\Layout\clctresE3.arc]です。(バージョンはWiiの日本語版) その中には、bloファイルやbti画像ファイルがありました。 同フォルダに似た名前の[clctres.arc]がありますが、それも未使用のものが含まれていました。 --RGBA CRT 07:08, 3 April 2012 (EDT)

Menu1.dat

In the E3 Version of the game, there is an extra folder in: /res/Menu. This folder contains an "menu1.dat", if you open on a hex editor, it possible to see an kinda of map select with some author notes (kinda likely Wind Waker, as well this game have Wind Waker leftovers). The folder also contains "kanfont_fix16.bfn", which is a font type. I don't know if I can share those files tough. --Gabrielwoj 00:49, 6 May 2012 (EDT)

Oh, there are 2 unused maps in the E3 version, these maps would probably be for testing. The one is the Hyrule Castle (very beginning of the game, with the wolf link), the other one I don't recall it right. One is located at /res/stage/D_MN04A and the other at /res/stageR_SP107. Also, if you replace the Hyrule Field data into some other stage (the one used in intro), you'll be directly to an cutscene, when you complete the quest, the game will crash. As well, the "Thanks you for playing the Demo" can be seen when you stay idle the game (in the E3 version).

--Gabrielwoj 09:43, 6 May 2012 (EDT)

This "Map Select" is completely impossible to execute. Missing this: (dScnMenu_Method) to make it work. Anyway, it was not very interesting, because all locations are removed in the demo.

--Dark Linkaël 10:38, 7 May 2012 (EDT)

There is still those 2 maps I told above... Don't know if there is differences..

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Gabrielwoj 19:00, 7 May 2012 (EDT)

I see nothing special in these rooms. One thing is certain, they do not come from the demo from E3 2005.

--Dark Linkaël 06:03, 8 May 2012 (EDT)

Possible full translation for file2.txt

Ran file2.txt through Google Translate. Contains chinglish (engrish), but is the fullest translation we have.

● Information of a switch apparently has not been passed in the unit MOVEBG terrain. Sakai's story. Indeed, I feel that we have become so because information about Te disposable OK during the conversion map data, And so that was it after all の?

● organize for the layer. Day and night and somehow the two sides. • For day and night, to do with the switch? Bassari or slowly ("tact") or ("Majora")? • For inside and outside, or may have added one or two more.

● you want to automate. You can use or can feel like an argument or ObjectSender odemrun. • The output of the memory map. Setting and placement of the memory bank.

● you want to display all the collision polygon. To confirm. But that appears in the | [internal check terrain polygon drawing debug / Node / zelda], ObjectReflector In that case assignment and shame because only by the link polygon.

1. Come to think of it, or check the operation of integration is not a polygon of Mr. Yoshida how it works.

● 2D map rail ○ implementation of a map that is displayed on the four-way controller Do you have going on? Just check anyway. → keep doing before anyway. Iwawaki's story. → in progress. Mr. Yoshida.

■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ has been addressed ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■

● Check the terrain for the unit. What will happen to semi-transparent polygons? Overlap between terrain unit semi-transparent but becomes a problem, what should otherwise? For example, for the shadow or semi-transparent polygons. Overlap with semi-transparent polygons and effects used in okay? → prohibited. But sometimes that is drawn well, it is a coincidence. In fact should not come out or in and out in relation to the material sort. → were asked to specify the order to be able to draw in material names. This expression of Detail For semi-transparent overlap is available. However, semi-transparent in the true sense of the word, such as water can not be still. Since you do not sort or polygon. In the direction of the true semi-transparent do in MOVEBG. → add a drawing object model as a unit MOVEBG terrain.

● jcc is using a lot of memory. Near 800MB. Do not reduced. → Pre-contact Mr. Iwawaki, Mr. Matsutani. → I got reduced to about half. We want to reduce a little bit more, get one more look. → plummeted. Much faster and different things.

● For a demonstration archive. ○ Is it possible to make with the register of resources? But like the same feeling that I saw, or with the actor. → possible. Exactly the same. ○ What xnim_id_conv.pl? I have plus 0x10000 to the resource ID of the arc file, why? → distinction between resource or resources or for demonstration purposes for the object. In general-purpose actor, whether to interpret the animation mode specified by the demo data → in the direction of the ID bits to divide at a time to allow the specification.

● For information about starting the specified morning scene, you want to specify as an optional layer. → been addressed. Mr. Sasaki.

● For information about starting the specified morning scene, - When you menu = LEVEL2, the stage is not selected. If you do not specify the ish invalid room number. → has been addressed. Mr. Iwawaki.

● Registration of particle.xnim is what to do? Similarly d_particle_name. *, or put the cvs update in Particle / mk_arc.bat also particle.xnim. → has been addressed.

● limit of the archive file name? I feel like I've heard that less than seven characters, but it is Kke object name registration? Characters or less what then? Format DOS8.3? Long file name?

1. That there is only called "W_motion" Why the format name DOS8.3.

→ name of the archive is 9 characters or less. Mr. Morita.

● For information about starting the specified morning scene, for example, % OdemRun ...-a - noopening - menu = LEVEL3, 0 When you run as, has been selected "(Room7) Fire_Dungeon" room instead of 0 "LEVEL3". Incidentally, this menu item From here -------- (First part omitted) LEVEL3, (0), LEVEL3, 0,0, -1, LEVEL3, (1), LEVEL3, 1,0, -1, LEVEL3, (2), LEVEL3, 2,0, -1, (Omitted) Fire_Dungeon (Room3),, LEVEL3, 3,0, -1, Fire_Dungeon (Room4),, LEVEL3, 4,0, -1, Fire_Dungeon (Room7),, LEVEL3, 7,0, -1, (Koryaku)

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So far

Have become, "LEVEL3" directory after most of the menu text in menu.dat. If you have been included in the stage of the title belong to the same directory as the display room is different, after the most What becomes the stage? Incidentally, "LEVEL3" in the menu is already set to <(3)> properly. → has been addressed. Mr. Iwawaki. So that the earliest stage.

● For "registry resources". ○ SRD's PC environment is? Can I use Admin privileges? Installation of ActiveX possible? → possible. ○ If you want to copy to the local PC the resource file and the destination path that is? % ZELDA_JMAP_DIR% \ rom \ DVDRoot? →% in GCZELDA1_ROOT% / GDEVImage / DVDRoot. No GCZELDA1_ROOT%% if undefined.

● Why are you sure you want to process data bmdcuttex3.exe the bdl? I'm now hearing that the non-oriented Thun. Mr. Takizawa said it is a problem. → good. That you do. You might be effective in the reduction or memory. → has been addressed. csv file is empty.

● particles. ○ dolzel smells that remain in the old data. To dispose of? → If you must dispose of. mk_arc.bat from Empty the dolzel / res / Particle directory. Iwawaki's story. → Ito plans to run in the near future. ○ want to organize a group of PScene. Bassari and leaving the 254. Ito story. → do good if it has not been used in the data jmp. Iwawaki's story. → Ito has been performed. ○ I have copied a resource to a / / d / zelda / dolzel / a mk_arc.bat, this is terribly dependent environment. A little worried. → Pre-notification to Ito.

● data like union or can be generated by jcc? If you were not able to, data about the event, but we need when the stb and zev, in the event you do not need camera Because there is a file name information, to one of the union it. → s generated. Then it. → already submitted the specification. Mr. Ogawa.

● 2D map rail ○ If there is a vertex does not belong entirely to the polygon, its vertices is probably incorrect. In an error. → has been addressed. Mr. Iwawaki. ○ also specify line color. But still the corresponding → jcc, Because it is still data specification. In addition, 2D map rail warnings to errors. → has been addressed. Mr. Iwawaki.

Feel free to fix and post!

--DrDoctor 12:49, 14 May 2012 (EDT)

Here's a full, professional translation.

●It seems that the switch1 data is not being passed to MOVEBG geography unit. Discuss with Sakai-san. By and large it did seem like that data can safely be thrown out during map data conversion - so maybe that assumption is correct?

●Organize re: layers. Do something about day/night, front/back. ・For day/night - how should we transition? Slow like "Wind Waker", or quick like "Majora"? ・For front/back (translator note: probabaly light/dark worlds)- might have a few more additions.

●Would like to automate. Seems like it could be done using odemrun args or ObjectSender. ・Memory map output. ・Memory bank address settings.

●Want to display all of the collision polys. For confirmation. Displays with ObjectReflector[/Node/zelda geography check internal|debug polygon draw], but that only displays the polys in Link's vicinity, which is kind of a shame.

1. Speaking of which - I wonder how Yoshida-san's polygon integration and testing is handling that?

●2D Map Rail ○What's up with the implementation of the keypad up button displaying the map? Just want to confirm. →We'll get that done. Discuss with Iwawaki-san. →In progress. Yoshida-san is handling.

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●Confirmation regarding geography units. What's up with the semi-translucent polygons? The semi-translucent geography units overlapping is a problem - but is everything all right barring that constraint? For instance, semi-translucent polys for shadows. Is it all right if they overlap with the semi-translucent polys for effects? →No good. Sometimes they draw correctly, but that's just a coincidence. In reality this phenomenon should be occurring or not occurring based on relation to material sort. →We've had draw order modified so that it can be changed by specifying material names. By doing this we're able to draw overlapping translucent objects for details. However, we still can't do "true" translucency, such as the surface of the water. That's because we don't sort the polygons. We'll plan on handling true translucency with MOVEBG. →Add model draw object as geography unit MOVEBG.

●jcc is using massive amounts of memory. Nearly 800MB. Can't this be reduced? →Iwawaki-san has contacted Matsuya-san. →Was able to reduce by about half. Would still like to have them reduce a bit more so we'll be looking into this continually. →Dramatically reduced. The speed bump is night and day.

●Re: the demo archive. ○Can this be made where the resources are registered? From first glance it seems like it's the same as the actors. →This can be done. They're exactly the same. ○What is xnim_id_conv.pl?0x10000 is being added to the arc file resource ID - why? →This is to differentiate between object resources and demo (translator's note: may refer to in-engine movies) resources. For general purpose actors also to indicate whether there are any animation mode comments from demo data. →Will plan on implementing this by allocating a bit to set so that setting can be done easily.

●In regards to scene specified boot - would also like an option to specify layer. →Done. Handled by Sasaki-san.

●In regards to scene specified boot - setting --menu=LEVEL2 makes it so that stage is not selectable. It seems that you need to specify the room numer or else it's disabled. →Done. Handled by Iwawaki-san.

●How should we register particle.xnim? Similar to d_particle_name.*, cvs update with particle.xnim and Particle/mk_arc.bat? →Done.

●What are the archive file name limits? I think I had heard that it had to be within 7 characters - was that for the object registration name? So how many characters does it need to be within? DOS8.3 format? Long filename?

1. Since there's W_motion maybe it's DOS8.3 format.

→Archive name should be within 9 characters. From Morita-san.

●In regards to scene specified boot - for instance running % OdemRun ... -a --noopening --menu=LEVEL3,0 Rather than room 0 of LEVEL3, "Fire_Dungeon(Room7)" is selected. And FYI - the menu items are:

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(...) LEVEL3,（0）,LEVEL3,0,0,-1, LEVEL3,（1）,LEVEL3,1,0,-1, LEVEL3,（2）,LEVEL3,2,0,-1, (...) Fire_Dungeon(Room3),,LEVEL3,3,0,-1, Fire_Dungeon(Room4),,LEVEL3,4,0,-1, Fire_Dungeon(Room7),,LEVEL3,7,0,-1, (...)

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To HERE--------

even within the menu.dat menu text the LEVEL3 directory is much further down. So if a room residing in the same directory is included in a separately displayed stage's title will the stage end up coming much later? FYI - LEVEL3 in the menu is displayed as <(3)>. →Fixed. Iwawaki-san handled it. Stage comes much earlier now.

●Re: resource repository. ○How are SRD's PCs setup? Do they have access to Admin privelages? Can they install ActiveX? →They can. ○When copying the resource files to their local PC what path is it to? %ZELDA_JMAP_DIR%\rom\DVDRoot? →To %GCZELDA1_ROOT%/GDEVImage/DVDRoot. If they haven't defined %GCZELDA1_ROOT% it's no good.

●Can the bdl date be processed with bmdcuttex3.exe? Talking about from a non-toon perspective. Takizawa-san indicated that it shouldn't be a problem. →Yep. Needs to be done. We might get some nice effects like memory reduction. →Done. csv is empty.

●Particles. ○It seems like the old data is still in dolzel. Pitch it? →If you're gonna pitch it, go ahead. Run mk_arc.bat after clearing the dolzel/res/Particle directory. Discuss with Iwawaki-san. →Will be done by Itou-san in the coming days. ○We'd like to organize the PScene group. Just leave 254 and get it done really quick. Discuss with Itou-san. →As long as you're not using jmp data for it go ahead. Discuss with Iwawaki-san. →Already done by Itou-san. ○Using mk_arc.bat, copying resources to //d/zelda/dolzel/ but it's really environment dependant. A bit worrying. →Relayed to Itou-san.

●Can union like data be generated with jcc? If so, for event data - needs to be done for zev and stb, but camera events have unnecessary file name information. →Can be generated. So go ahead. →Spec has been submitted. To Ogawa-san.

●2D Map Rail ○If there are vertexes not posessed by a polygon that vertex is probabally a mistake. Should be an error. →Done. Handled by Iwawaki-san. ○Specify color for lines as well. →jcc can't handle it yet, but that's because the data spec hasn't been finalized. While we're at it, report the 2D Map Rail Warning as an error. →Done. Handled by Iwawaki-san.

--gypsyOtoko 15:28, 27 August 2012 (JST)

Cheers, you have way more energy than I do. Incidentally, are you a skilled translator interested in working on similar material? For example, retro developer interviews, unused text, debug content, and other game-related stuff? You should join forces with me. --GlitterBerri 02:36, 27 August 2012 (EDT)

(Unused OoT Song)

A note on the song I added to the unused music/sounds section: I am 100% certain I did not hear this song in the game, and I've completed it 100% a couple of times. If anyone does know that this song is in the game, feel free to let me know (and show video of it, or something like that) and feel free to remove this entry. Thanks. PhantomLink29 12:44, 27 August 2012 (EDT)

This music is used during the cutscene of putting to death of Ganondorf by the seven sages. --Dark Linkaël 13:55, 27 August 2012 (EDT)

Thanks, I don't know how I forgot that. Removing it now. PhantomLink29 14:03, 27 August 2012 (EDT)