User:Eientei95/404 Logs

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<einstein95> Hey, can someone help me with this (currently banned) user that's appeared at another wiki that I'm an admin on?
<Moussekateer> ?
<Moussekateer> einstein95: Do tell
<einstein95> 404 User Not Found
<Moussekateer> dat guy
<einstein95> "I'm a former editor over on the Team Fortress 2 Wiki, who left after a bit of a dispute with a particular admin on the wiki who didn't know how to properly do his job."
<einstein95> And from my understanding, he actually got banned.
<Moussekateer> I think you should know this person has been ostracized or banned from almost every community he's been involved in
<Moussekateer> And yes, he was banned
<einstein95> Yes, that's been brought to my attention.
<einstein95> What did this guy do? Could someone give me a brief run-down (with examples)?
<LordKelvin> he took several disputes personally, so you can probably expect that from him
<LordKelvin> it's been a while, i don't recall much of it off of the top of my head
<einstein95> Fair enough.
<LordKelvin> but i recall that at least in a few cases, he got into arguments with other editors and made it personal
<LordKelvin> then started calling for the resignation/firing of the staff member who dealt with him
<LordKelvin> but really, in general, he had a very poor attitude
<Lagg> einstein95: I won't sugar coat it. The "particular admin" refers to me. He didn't like that his ass kissing didn't work on me or the staff at large and instead resorted to a rather weak smear campaign.
<einstein95> For some time, that "particular admin" linked to your userpage until quite recently.
<Bsadowski1> Hey einstein95, I see your wiki is having issues with spambots
<einstein95> Yes it is.
<einstein95> (It's not really mine)
<Omolong> As far as I remember, that guy causes a lot of problems anywhere he goes.
<Bsadowski1> Wtf, admins can use CU?...
<Bsadowski1> Why can't that be an additional user group?
<LordKelvin> oh yeah, he's the guy that got into that spat with mecha the slagg
<Lagg> einstein95: Basically, this is the type of persistent vandal type you see on any sufficiently large wiki. They'll troll and mess up pages, bother editors, and when confronted will either put on the righteous or victim act. When that fails they'll instead try to put the blame somewhere else.
<Omolong> I thought it was MaxofS2D or whatever his name is that he had issues with?
<einstein95> Lagg: Re: That ass-kissing. How exactly does that start? He seems to be starting that again.
<Lagg> He'll PM staff, probably the one who did the ban. And try to explain the situation in a way that puts him on the side of a victim. And try to shift blame to other people.
<Lagg> If he's on a timed block, he'll try to get the staff member to shorten it or remove it. Then will act sincere and be sure to state as much.
<LordKelvin> einstein95: has he already caused problems at your wiki?
<LordKelvin> while you may take anyone's word with a grain of salt, i would advise you that this issue is best solved quickly and decisively, rather than letting it drag on and become a headache
<LordKelvin> as it did for us
<einstein95> Not problems yet, although he's starting to show his true colors.
<LordKelvin> well, you're free to believe him or us, but i would advise that you deal decisively with him rather than let him stay, because he will start causing more and more problems as time goes on
<LordKelvin> and i'm usually one who would give others a chance
<LordKelvin> http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/User_talk:404_User_Not_Found you can browse the archive of his talk page if you wish
<LordKelvin> but as i said before, this happened some time ago, and i can't quickly recall everything he did immediately (i'm not even sure i have the logs on my computer anymore)
<einstein95> "BMF, wat u doin' homie? Sheeeeeit." This was one of the tipoffs on TCRF.
<LordKelvin> what everyone's said before is accurate, if he fails to get on the positive side of someone in power, he will make it personal
<LordKelvin> i'm actually surprised that he's still holding a grudge against Lagg
<einstein95> Thank you everyone for your contributions regarding 404. I'll bring these up with the rest of the admins, and they will enjoy reading these.
<LordKelvin> http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/User_talk:404_User_Not_Found/Archive_1 the very last bit is something that you may want to highlight
<LordKelvin> for reference, the "awesomesauce" being discussed there was another problematic user that i personally took care of, and seb26 is (was) one of the active admins at the time

PM log

[17:43:37] <UserNotFound> Hello?
[17:43:43] <einstein95> Hello.
[17:43:58] <UserNotFound> We should talk.
[17:44:14] <einstein95> Yes. We should.
[17:44:24] <UserNotFound> There was a lot going on at the TF2 Wiki at the time that I was banned that you don't know, and that the admins there don't know, and won't tell you
[17:44:41] <einstein95> Oh they told me. They told me everything.
[17:44:58] <UserNotFound> But they don't know everything
[17:45:25] <einstein95> Nobody knows everything.
[17:45:36] <UserNotFound> I was originally banned once by Lagg for a minor issue. The ban expired, etc, etc. Fast forward to the first permaban.
[17:46:12] <UserNotFound> I spoke to Lagg over IRC about it because I was heavily contributing to the Wiki at the time and keeping the Advanced Weaponiser 2 article up to date. After some talking, he agreed to lower it from perm to 30 days, as a cool down period
[17:46:48] <UserNotFound> I was in a bit of a situation involving Mecha the Slag and MaxOfS2D, who were both in a tiff over Max's content being used by Mecha and Mecha not being nice to Max and such. That was a well known and publicly known issue
[17:47:12] <UserNotFound> I did the stupid thing and took my anger towards Mecha and Max out on the Wiki
[17:47:48] <UserNotFound> I also did the stupid thing of soapboxing against Lagg (whom I had witnessed making many bad administrative choices on the TF2 Wiki), which resulted in my final ban
[17:48:19] <UserNotFound> I decided not to appeal that one, and instead turn my focus towards other projects
[17:48:24] <UserNotFound> One of which was TCRF.
[17:48:55] <UserNotFound> I admit, I've made some minor dumb choices on TCRF, but I've apologized for them and moved on
[17:49:46] <UserNotFound> I've also admitted over at the TF2 Wiki in the past that yes I have ADHD, and yes I take dexadrine to keep the hyperactivity in check. Sometimes I forget to take it, and things happen and I take full responsibility if/when that happens.
[17:50:14] <UserNotFound> One of the other things I was (stupidly) soapboxing against was the way I was spoken about during the TF2 Wiki's "Wiki Cap" nomination chat
[17:50:33] <UserNotFound> Which I have pastebin'd here: http://pastebin.com/r6qameKC
[17:50:51] <UserNotFound> The quotation in particular is this: <i-ghost> Well if he acknowledges his illness he should be aware of it enough so as not to cause disturbance to other editors in the future.
[17:51:40] <UserNotFound> That is the secondary reason why I soapboxed. That unfair treatment. It's not an illness, it's a learning disability that is very easily managed via ritalin/dexadrine/etc
[17:52:18] <UserNotFound> As for the DotA 2 Wiki, I was unfairly booted from the IRC by Lagg after refusing to start arguing with him (as that was what he was trying to get me to do)
[17:52:35] <UserNotFound> I was just there to contribute to the wiki as I was new to the game, and in the end I decided to leave.
[17:54:18] <UserNotFound> Look at my track record on TCRF. As I said, I've had a miniscule amount of issues, all of which I've apologized for, but for the most part I've been a huge contributor, and I feel permanently banning me because of a bad situation that happened 2 years ago on another wiki is bad, especially since that situation was a direct result of personal issues I was
[17:54:28] <UserNotFound> going through with Mecha the Slag and MaxOfS2D
[17:57:06] <UserNotFound> So I'm basically begging you to rethink this. I want to continue to contribute to TCRF (I still have a lot of unused content in TF2 to add to the article that I was just about to add, plus the reformatting of the L4D2 article).
[17:57:35] <UserNotFound> I will promise you that I will keep my behaviour and mouth in check and stay out of trouble. Just give me a second chance.
[17:58:06] <einstein95> Let me check with my collegues.
[18:01:59] <UserNotFound> If you even want to lower it from permanent to say, 2 weeks, or something of the sort, I accept that and will wait out the ban.
[18:03:29] <einstein95> If you truly want to change, do a better job in the next community you join. Prove to them that you can be a good member, using the lessons you've learned from your time here. Unfortunately, it's the end of the road for us.
[18:03:45] <UserNotFound> Seriously?
[18:04:25] <UserNotFound> I'm a bureaucrat of the Helmet Heroes Wikia, which admittedly is small, but I've turned that Wikia around
[18:05:06] <UserNotFound> No second chance despite all the work I've done, and all because of something that happened 2 years ago?
[18:06:15] <UserNotFound> Why not give me a second chance, but with parameters, such as no posting on other editor's talk pages?
[18:06:29] <UserNotFound> Something to ensure that I'm only there to work on articles that I usually work on
[18:06:46] <einstein95> You know what's funny? What the Team Fortress Wiki admins said you'd do, you've done. 404 User Not Found, the tribe has spoken. Time for you to go.
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[18:08:01] <UserNotFound> And who in particular are you talking to?
[18:08:22] <UserNotFound> Lagg and RJackson? Because that wouldn't surprise me if it's those two starting all this shit.
[18:09:13] <UserNotFound> It happened two years ago for god sake.
[18:09:46] <UserNotFound> And they can't handle the fact that I'm editing elsewhere, so they have to ruin everything, as usually. This is a repeat of the DotA 2 Wiki.
[18:10:29] <UserNotFound> No wait, it wasn't two years ago
[18:10:36] <UserNotFound> I signed up here in October 2011
[18:10:43] <UserNotFound> It was more like 3 years ago IIRC
[18:11:25] <UserNotFound> So I've wasted over 2 years of my time on this wiki updating the TF2 article and creating other articles, just to have everything slapped out of my hand at a moment's notice, all because some admins from another wiki who have a grudge against me start talking crap.
[18:12:28] <UserNotFound> Who cares what they said I'd do? Honestly! I basically begged you to let me stay because I love this wiki, and I get nothing.
[18:13:55] <UserNotFound> Wonderful.
[18:14:12] <einstein95> It is, isn't it?
[18:15:12] <einstein95> You make work for us, we don't like work. Go away and bother someone else who thinks the effort that needs to be expended to keep you from fucking up things around you is worth what you contribute.
[18:15:51] <UserNotFound> I work away on the TF2 article, the L4D2 articles, upload over 100 sounds for the TF2 article one by one, report bugs on the Upload Wizard, etc
[18:15:55] <UserNotFound> But I apparently make work for you
[18:17:11] <UserNotFound> Look through my contributions and tell me how I make work for you.
[18:17:12] <einstein95> If you don't understand, then I can't help you, sorry. Good luck on your future projects.
[18:18:05] <UserNotFound> Yes, I do understand. You're listening to bunch of people give a one-sided story about events that occurred over two years ago on a different wiki, and basing your judgement on that one-sided story.
[18:18:53] <UserNotFound> The main difference between here and the TF2 Wiki is that I actually got a second chance to prove myself on the TF2 Wiki, which I did, until personal issues involving MaxOfS2D got in the way, clouded my judgement and resulted in my final ban.
[18:19:32] <einstein95> http://tcrf.net/Talk:Dead_Island
[18:19:40] <UserNotFound> Yes, that was a bad choice on my behalf
[18:19:43] <UserNotFound> And I've admitted that
[18:19:49] <UserNotFound> I feel fucking horrible for that.
[18:20:22] <einstein95> You got *two* chances here by my count http://tcrf.net/index.php?title=Special:Log/block&page=User%3A404+User+Not+Found
[18:20:25] <UserNotFound> The few times I've screwed up here, I felt fucking horrible afterwards.
[18:21:25] <einstein95> Then why do you keep screwing up?
[18:21:56] <UserNotFound> The XKeeper thing, I don't remember what exactly had occurred
[18:22:15] <UserNotFound> other than me being sleep deprived and angry at XKeeper for blocking me (the first block)
[18:22:28] <UserNotFound> so i stupidly decided to be a smartass and correct him on the IRC channel
[18:22:33] <UserNotFound> which resulted in a lengthened ban
[18:22:48] <UserNotFound> Believe me, I try not to screw up but sometimes I just say shit that I immediately regret
[18:23:17] <UserNotFound> And with the wiki format, I can't just edit what I said to hide it after realizing I shouldn't have said something, because there's still a record of it
[18:24:05] <einstein95> This is amazing, you're proving exactly WHY you need to be banned but using it as evidence as to why you...shouldn't be?
[18:24:20] <UserNotFound> I'm trying to show you I'm a nice person.
[18:24:27] <UserNotFound> And I'm explaining things that happened.
[18:25:18] <UserNotFound> I'm just asking for a final chance, is all.
[18:25:47] <UserNotFound> I've put so much time in here. This is my favorite wiki because I love finding unused content and historical content from the development of video games.
[18:26:56] <UserNotFound> You won't hear a peep from me on people's talk pages. I'll just focus all my attention on the articles.
[18:28:11] <UserNotFound> And finally, while I am 26 years old, I have matured quite a lot since my time at the TF2 Wiki, and I no longer have personal issues with Max and Mecha clouding my judgement. Personal issues with others will not be a factor from here on out. Clean slate.
[18:44:55] <UserNotFound> That's all I'm asking for. Just a final chance....if I fuck up again (and I will personally guarantee you that I won't) you can permaban me and I won't bother you about it.
[18:47:12] <einstein95> If you care about us and how we feel, go away, respect our decisions, and show you're willing to abide by someone else's concerns
[18:49:18] <UserNotFound> Fine. Fuck it. I'm done pandering to you. Clear my fucking userpage out. Two years of my fucking time, wasted, all because you choose to listen to a one-sided story and make a poor judgement based on it.
[18:49:40] <UserNotFound> Real proper administrating you've done here, kid.