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Languages tag

Hello! I moved the languages tag from the bottom to the top of the page. Honestly, it's the place where it should be. If a non-English speaker lands on a page, he/she needs to know there is the option to read the article in his/her language right at the top, not going to the bottom of the page to see it. Well, that's it. --Agente Rolf (talk) 00:55, 5 March 2014 (EST)

"Fan Games"

Hey, I'm very confused about what this rule is saying, and I don't find it reflected in the wiki's content. Why would a game made by an "amateur" not be suitable for coverage on the wiki? And why would IP rights factor into that, either? I notice that TCRF has pages on bootleg games, which would definitely fall under both the categories of "fan games" and "amateur games" (there are other more modern fan games covered here as well, such as Aperture Tag). Even ignoring that, this rule seems to imply a vaguely-defined "notability" qualification, which it doesn't seem like TCRF has otherwise either. Is this rule really necessary? If so, what is it actually saying? Arale (talk) 18:52, 27 February 2018 (EST)

To be honest, this rule definitely needs a lot of work on before it's good. For this wiki, bootleg games are never fan games in the sense that these games are made by people who like a famous character, like Sonic or Mario, and are games sold on the market for money without any permission from the console maker (and with the intent of making money, which fan games usually aren't). They're usually made by companies that make a quick buck. Aperture Tag: The Paint Gun Testing Initiative and Black Mesa were approved for sale by Valve, who owns the rights for the franchises those games were based on. I actually created my own wiki specifically for the fan games (and other misc. things that TCRF couldn't cover), where I intend to move articles like Sonic Robo Blast and the like to once it gets its own host. Part of the issue is that what one can call a fan game is somewhat nebulous. The intent is basically prevent the wiki from being spammed with nonstop low quality games by random people filled with unused content just to get a quick article, as well as keep the site away from documenting games just because someone added a high profile character as the player's character. --From: divingkataetheweirdo (talk) 21:26, 27 February 2018 (EST)
Yeah, this "no fangames" rule was basically made in direct response to someone making a YouTube poop game based on I.M. Meen and shoving a lazy "Hi TCRF" shoutout into one of the textures just so they could advertise it on our site. I agree that the rules need to be refined and clarified but nobody can seem to agree on exactly how that should be done. --BMF54123 (talk) 22:45, 27 February 2018 (EST)
I think a better rule to be added to replace it would be, "don't create pages for games you made all on your own", since self-advertising is the problem you're trying to address, not the evaluation of games based on IP law. It seems like an over-reaction to ban unlicensed games (except for some types, apparently?) just to find a way to justify deleting publicity stunts like that; I can't imagine it'd happen again very often anyway. (I don't think anybody would even object if you hadn't edited the rules when that happened in the first place, to be honest.) Arale (talk) 23:18, 27 February 2018 (EST)
So far, we're mostly allowing unlicensed stuff that was made and sold with a commercial purpose and fan games/hacks that were approved by their rightsholders (including those approved after the game was made). Those are the big exceptions here. --From: divingkataetheweirdo (talk) 23:53, 27 February 2018 (EST)