Proto talk:Mario Kart DS/USA Kiosk Demo

Dokan Course from F-Zero X?

I have this funny feeling that the Dokan Course was taken directly from F-Zero X because of how the track is laid out and how textures are used. However, I haven't seen a matching track yet (I haven't played F-Zero X in awhile though). Does anybody else feel that this may be true? --Dr.MarioX 20:37, 4 August 2012 (EDT)

While the pipes do fit with the games, I really doubt it is from F-Zero X. It seems too much that it was designed specifically for this game, with narrow road on the turns and relatively tame changes in elevation, not to mention no crazy gravity changes. I also really doubt it is a "test" map as the article currently states. --Peardian 11:17, 19 July 2013 (EDT)

SEQ_CIRCUIT2.SSEQ

Why has no one put this in the page yet? It should be classed as unused as you cannot hear it during normal play (as you must use a code to hear it or you need to look in the sound_data.sdat.) It is a placeholder song, which is used on all the unused courses and courses without their own music in the demo (DK Pass, Rainbow Road, etc.) --User:luigi442wii

• It definitely fits the definition of "unused" for this Wiki, soooo...why didn't you add it to the page yourself? Rip .OGG, upload it here, add to page with info, done (alternately, add info and to-do to page, done). Instead, you take the entire rest of this Wiki to task for not doing it already. It's great that you added those unused courses and such to the page, but...dafuq? -WarioBarker 06:25, 13 August 2012 (EDT)

I don't know any other way to do this apart from converting jimbo390's SEQ_CIRCUIT2 video on YouTube to MP3 then converting the MP3 to OGG. The only time I used OGG was when I once had a netbook running Linpus Linux Lite, and I don't have that anymore. -- Luigi442wii

The YT video will be fine, as long as it is the original unedited track and is converted to OGG with Audacity (which is cross-platform). But I will do it now.--Hiccup 05:08, 19 July 2013 (EDT)

Music

Considering how all the music in this prototype is different from the final, due to either tempo changes or soundfont changes, I'm surprised no one has put up ALL the music from this prototype, like was already done for the Sonic 2 Simon Wai prototype. There's also many themes from the final that are in the prototype's data, but unused (again, similar to that Sonic 2 proto)Geno2925 18:54, 8 August 2013 (EDT)

Debug Menu and other stuff

These are codes that I made from a long time ago for the kiosk demo (almost 4 years)

[Press select for debug menu]
94000130 000003fb
220E77D8 00000004
220E77D9 00000000
D2000000 00000000

The wiki that originally held these details seems to be down, so I'll be sharing these vague notes that I kept.

The "Debug Menu"

First screen - use left and right, 5 different values to choose from 00 grand prix 01 Time Trial 02 battle 03 multiplayer 04 mission 05 4 player versus

if 00 or 03 is chosen:

second screen - cc modifier, right and left to change values x third screen - character modifier, up and down to change entry, right and left to change values

fourth screen - kart modifier, up and down to change entry, right and left to change values

fifth screen - no idea, 4 entries to choose from, x changes which character you will take control of

sixth screen - stage modifier, left and right to change entry

if 01 or 02 is chosen:

second screen - character modifier, up and down to change entry, right and left to change values

third screen - kart modifier, up and down to change entry, right and left to change values

fourth screen - stage modifier, left and right to change entry

Codes that force which cup you choose:

[Mushroom Cup]
022e1790 00000000

[Flower Cup]
022e1790 00000001

[Star Cup]
022e1790 00000002

[Special Cup]
022e1790 00000003

[SNES Cup]
022e1790 00000004

[N64 Cup]
022e1790 00000005

[GBA Cup]
022e1790 00000006

[GCN Cup]
022e1790 00000007

As you can see, the cups were originally ordered by console.

And another code, which lets you play as "E.Gadd", who uses toads model as a placeholder

[Play as Gadd]
022E1778 00000008

He was replaced by Dry Bones in the final game. --Fkualol (talk) 02:32, 1 February 2014 (EST)

Unused Track!

I was looking through the game again, and I found an unused track. It's file name is "SEQ_COURSE_IN_FANFARE". I couldn't rip it though. So would somebody do that?--8SomaCruzes (talk) 21:50, 10 July 2014 (EDT)

About those Placeholder Menus

Has anyone tried to replace the demo menu with the Mario Kart DD styled one? If yes, are they working or are they just broken? --Mspeter97 (talk) 12:27, 29 September 2014 (EDT)

I think someone at dshack.org did and it simply loaded a black screen. Also they don't function, because they're just static images. --Termingamer2-JD (talk) 10:39, 10 August 2015 (EDT)

the debug font is back!

i found at /data/boot the files: dbgfont.NCGR and dbgfont.nclr combined they are the debug font! — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Harmjan123 (talk • contribs)

yep its back.

Mario Kart Double Dash DS Theory/HELP!

So, recently I went into the game's files and found something very interesting, leftover horns from Double Dash for each character and a strange sound called "Driver_Change". It was possibly used to switch between characters early in development. Driver Change is not from Double Dash because it's a sound effect, and in Double Dash when you switch drivers by pressing Z, the character says their name. I posted it on the page, but I could use some help extracting the files out of the .ssar. This and the unused menus made me think that early in development, Mario Kart DS was Mario Kart: Double Dash DS with 2 characters instead of 1. I think this was scrapped because the DS couldn't handle it. Someone please help with the .ssar. Also, what do you guys think about my theory? --Francofantino (talk) 16:21, 3 September 2015 (EDT) Dig more into the files and see if you find anything that might be relevant to Double Dash!! Donetsu52 (talque) 22:00, 14 August 2015 (CST)

Debug Menu Questions

Has anyone seen if the debug menu loads in the final game? Also, has anyone tried loading the debug font into the debug menu? --Francofantino (talk) 16:21, 3 September 2015 (EDT)

The debug menu loads but all the commands are removed. I don't think anyone has tried the latter, though, but I don't think any data exists to display text in there anymore. --Termingamer2-JD (talk) 14:40, 24 October 2015 (EDT)

SeqArc Stuff

Here's things in the SeqArc folder in the kiosk:

SET_DOWNLOADING_PARENT SET_START_DOWNLOADING_PARENT SET_FINISH_DOWNLOADING_PARENT SET_CONNECT_ERROR_PARENT

These all seem to relate to the multiplayer thing from GDC 2005, which is partly in this build. Also an error message can be triggered by going to the debug menu's VS Mode.

The menu which displays your name only shows 4 characters and is actually a multiplayer remnant when you connected with each other, but the actual wireless link doesn't work.

Anything else about the multiplayer things anyone can add? --Termingamer2-JD (talk) 06:19, 25 October 2015 (EDT)

E3 demo?

I found what appears to be the MKDS E3 demo at www.handheldy.cz. What's strange is that it's european, but E3 takes place in the US. I think it's the E3 demo because it says it has multiplayer, just like at E3. It has the product code DIS-NTR-AM3P-EUR instead of the US kiosk being DIS-NTR-A39E-USA. If anyone here owns this, all I ask is that it gets dumped, and searched through for unused things. --Francofantino (talk) 09:19, 7 November 2015 (EST)

That's just another kiosk demo that supports multiplayer. -Einstein95 (talk) 09:22, 7 November 2015 (EST)

That's probably the build seen in the GDC 2005 multiplayer video, and the picture was taken from a camera, so if it's ever found then that would be interesting to dump. Or perhaps there were two demos, this one being the singleplayer demo (there's a lot of data relating to multiplayer connections in this ROM which don't work anymore), and the one in the website being a multiplayer version of it.

Either way I really want my hands on the ROM if it ever gets dumped. --Termingamer2-JD (talk) 10:54, 7 November 2015 (EST)

It can't be the GDC 2005 demo because it does not use MKDS' GDC logo. --Francofantino (talk) 17:22, 7 November 2015 (EST)

I just found more info about this at www.nintendemos.com and lots of it!!! --Francofantino (talk) 18:08, 10 November 2015 (EST)

Erm, look what this is on ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mario-Kart-DS-Nintendo-DS-Japan-Kiosk-Rare-NOT-FOR-RESALE-FREE-S-H-/262140027630?hash=item3d08c362ee:g:oKEAAOSwk5FU1OLf

Japanese version, code NTR-A39J-JPN. It MIGHT have the same content as the US version seeing as its ID is A39* but it's still a kiosk all the same. Also it might be good to check out the word 'not for resale' anyway because a lot of results come up, for other MK games.--Termingamer2-JD (talk) 15:08, 24 November 2015 (EST)

Yes. If the ID (A39) is the same then the ROM is same too. No matter what's the rest of the cartridge number. The only difference could occur if there is a revision version of the code which could be identify by the back number code. However it's not likely that a Demo cartridge gets a revision.--Michal99 (talk) 08:08, 1 August 2017 (EDT)

The four letter code on the back of the cart plus the revision number is what tells you what ROM it has. The last digit of the four letter code on the back does matter. You can see examples of this in all (or most) DS games - the ones with J on the end are different to the ones with U (or whatever) on the end. This has been dumped and you can find the checksums in the No-Intro "Nintendo DS" dat under the name "Mario Kart DS (Japan) (Demo) (Kiosk)". It is post-release and the revision number in the ROM data is 0 (so probably 0 on the back of the cart too). You can see the build date on the main page. :) --Hiccup (talk) 10:30, 1 August 2017 (EDT)

Japanese Kiosk Demo ROM

I found the ROM of the Japanese kiosk demo version that was talked about some time ago above. Should I provide a link to it, considering that it has been built at the same time the final build was released? --Rosalina (Talk) 20:30, 19 July 2017 (EDT)

Go ahead, provide it in this page, please. Arthur1124 (talk) 01:05, 6 November 2017 (EST)

Adding screenshots from a fan recreation, and passing them off as screenshots from an actual prototype of the game.

The screenshots that were added of Desert Hills, Peach Gardens act, were by no means screenshots of any actual prototype, but rather from a ROM hack that modifies some elements of the game in an attempt to recreate it, going off of unfinished bottom screen maps, which can be poor references themselves due to their poor quality, and being unfinished, And the fact that nobody has said E3 prototype, plus the were falsely labeled as being from E3, despite the fact that courses like SNES Choco Island 2, and Peach Gardens weren't even shown off at the E3 in question. The screenshots that were removed should not be added back as a result, if this article aims for historical accuracy. Especially considering that the fan recreation they were taken from is of somewhat poor quality.

Double Dash Intro Sound

i found a sound from mario kart double dash in WAVE_SE_GLOBAL.swar! the sound after sound 0 (sound 0 is an instrument sample) is the sound that plays when lakitu drops the cheep cheep in the intro of mkdd, does anyone know why this is here? MrDecrypter (talk) 16:14, 11 March 2019 (GMT)

ROM is lost I think

If anyone has a copy of the rom, please upload it. dshacks is down, and emuparadise doesn't have the rom anymore SMEGE (talk) 14:45, 25 December 2019 (EST)

I have the original cartridge, and I can dump it. I only need to know how to add the ROM on the page and if adding it, is illegal or not. just for security. --WAHSTARDΓY (talk) 23:31, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Are you talking about the usa rom ? If yes. Well, i have it ! and i can give it with mediafire ! (and no it isn't illegal lmao. I am sorry to say that but, that's a very stupid question to ask here...) Foulowe59 (talk) 12:24, 17 may 2020 (UTC+1)

i am back ! so i made a bit of research, and i don't really know if it is really lost or not, but still. so, i have uploaded my rom on mediafire here if ever ! https://www.mediafire.com/file/82jcxe3v9jar1nf/Mario_kart_ds_%28_Demo_version_%29_Nintendo.nds/file Foulowe59 (talk) 12:54, 17 may 2020 (UTC+1)